**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 11 18:15:53 2011 Jan 11 18:15:53 * Now talking on #ow2-tc Jan 11 18:15:53 * Topic for #ow2-tc is: OW2 Consortium Technical Council virtual meeting room Jan 12 09:24:33 * chamerling (~Adium@80.125.172.142) has joined #ow2-tc Jan 12 09:27:58 * cescoffier (5faa20a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.170.32.162) has joined #ow2-tc Jan 12 09:29:32 Hello! Jan 12 09:29:50 Just waiting a few more minutes for people to join. Jan 12 09:31:58 Hi all Jan 12 09:32:13 I've sent a last reminder on the TC list Jan 12 09:32:41 let's give them 5 minutes :) Jan 12 09:37:03 Looks like we will have a french only meeting :) Jan 12 09:37:29 cool ;) Jan 12 09:37:34 * gblondelle (527d3d83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.125.61.131) has joined #ow2-tc Jan 12 09:37:53 Hi guys Jan 12 09:38:10 hello Jan 12 09:38:30 gsauthier: don't forget I don;t live in France anymore :-) Jan 12 09:39:18 Hi all Jan 12 09:40:24 Let's go! Jan 12 09:40:31 Yep Jan 12 09:40:58 We have a busy agenda: Jan 12 09:41:21 * NovaForge Status Jan 12 09:41:21 * Tooling: Git mirror, Sonatype Nexus Jan 12 09:41:21 * Quality: SQUAT Status Jan 12 09:41:21 * XWikis (project's website) migration Jan 12 09:41:21 * Project Lifecycle and Project Reviews Jan 12 09:41:21 -- m2net status Jan 12 09:41:21 -- SlapOS and JiBX 2 project mentors Jan 12 09:41:21 -- WebLab has asked whether they can become mature (see their dashboard at http://www.ow2.org/view/ActivitiesDashboard/WebLab ) Jan 12 09:41:21 * Status on users base and SSO with current services Jan 12 09:41:21 * Download statistics counting rules Jan 12 09:41:21 * Review of upcoming events (OSCON and CFP for 7 Feb, In the Cloud Paris, Solutions Linux, Sys-Con, JavaOne) Jan 12 09:41:21 Since NovaForge people have not joined yet, let us start with the next item. Jan 12 09:42:33 So nexus Jan 12 09:42:52 Last year we got a professional licence from the Sonatype guys Jan 12 09:43:00 (for open source projects) Jan 12 09:43:18 We've installed a nexus instance for testing here: http://repository.ow2.org/nexus Jan 12 09:43:23 Good Jan 12 09:43:51 What is the next step ? Jan 12 09:43:55 yep that would be to good thing to switch to nexus. Not sure we really need the staging support (maybe it's project based). Jan 12 09:44:07 I've setup a new org.ow2:1.2 parent POM that holds all the necessary information Jan 12 09:44:22 I think it's up to you to use it or not Jan 12 09:44:41 As it's in testing phase, its content is not currently synched with central Jan 12 09:45:16 So if you want to try it with your pet project, just send me or jeremy an email Jan 12 09:45:32 Should we advertise it more widely to OW2 projects? Jan 12 09:45:33 so we can setup your account Jan 12 09:45:40 ok, I will have a look. Jan 12 09:45:49 BTW, user/groups are mapped on the forge's LDAP Jan 12 09:45:56 maybe on http://www.ow2.org/view/About/ITInfrastructure Jan 12 09:46:08 so you don't need an additional account :) Jan 12 09:46:10 One thing, we need to keep the flexibility we have such as being able to upload 3rd party artifacts when they are not available Jan 12 09:46:29 I think it's possible Jan 12 09:46:50 alefebvr: Yep, I've to complete the IT page Jan 12 09:47:25 alefebvr: Remembers me that sometimes I send a mail on tc about some "factorization" of IT information on the wiki Jan 12 09:48:35 What about an e-mail to project-leaders and TC specifically to tell them about the Nexus instance? Jan 12 09:48:43 alefebvr: Maybe we could just start with some initial projects to see if there are no real issues Jan 12 09:48:57 gsauthier: and then open it to everyone Jan 12 09:49:28 anyway, it will replace completely the current maven repo, so at the end, all the maven projects will be based on this repository Jan 12 09:49:55 OK, so we can say we are in a pilot phase, and encourage projects to use it if they want to, right? Jan 12 09:50:04 ok for me Jan 12 09:50:29 Any other questions about nexus ? Jan 12 09:50:33 So Jonas is a pilot project? Jan 12 09:51:13 Maybe not directly JOnAS but we have other more smaller projects to start with Jan 12 09:51:16 I think we should also discuss how this repo will be sync to central Jan 12 09:51:35 utils, carol, easybeans, ... and then jonas Jan 12 09:51:43 ok Jan 12 09:51:52 fbenoit: Good question, I don't know how to do that ATM Jan 12 09:52:20 cescoffier: Do you have any info about how that works in apache ? Jan 12 09:52:30 without sync, it won't be a good idea to publish on this repo Jan 12 09:52:49 fbenoit: cause I'm not sure that the rsync we have currently can work with a nexus ... Jan 12 09:53:05 specific gropus ideas are sync Jan 12 09:53:16 it's not really releated to nexus Jan 12 09:53:35 we just need to tell them (sonatype) where and what they need to sync Jan 12 09:54:24 I found this link : https://docs.sonatype.org/display/Repository/Sonatype+OSS+Maven+Repository+Usage+Guide#SonatypeOSSMavenRepositoryUsageGuide-9.ActivateCentralSync Jan 12 09:55:00 yep exactly, @ akquinet we using that Jan 12 09:55:33 the only 'issue' is that the sync is more strict : signed artifacts, javadoc and sources artifact (just because of m2eclipse :-)) Jan 12 09:55:34 fbenoit: Thanks I'll take a look at this Jan 12 09:56:40 gsauthier: akquinet projects on github use this, you could check https://github.com/akquinet/androlog/blob/master/pom.xml Jan 12 09:57:03 cescoffier: ok Jan 12 09:57:57 OK I take this action Jan 12 09:58:12 Next is GIT mirror? Jan 12 09:58:37 ok, I've checked GIT mirrors Jan 12 09:58:38 tricky Jan 12 09:58:52 pushing on GIT do not commit on SVN Jan 12 09:59:04 it's just read-only mirror Jan 12 09:59:28 this is not really an issue on Apache because people re-apply the patch afterwards... Jan 12 10:00:04 OK Jan 12 10:00:31 so the read-only mirror can be used to work in a sort of disconnected mode from the main repo, and then sync by re-applying the patch, right? Jan 12 10:00:44 * JeremyC (~jeremycas@wsg-proxy1.bull.fr) has joined #ow2-tc Jan 12 10:00:49 Hi Jeremy! Jan 12 10:00:59 Hi all Jan 12 10:01:23 Hi JeremyC Jan 12 10:01:33 Hello Jan 12 10:01:42 Any git news from novaforge ? Jan 12 10:02:22 alefebvr: yes. so you can forke the project using branches or whatever you want but to commit on the real SVN, you need to use SVN: so either to create and apply the patch or copy the modified files Jan 12 10:03:14 cescoffier: It seems that if you want to take benefits from the disctributed nature of Git, you have to have everything on git, svn/git bridge will not work Jan 12 10:03:16 no, no news about git in novaforge Jan 12 10:03:23 JeremyC: ok Jan 12 10:03:40 gsauthier: exactly / unfortunately Jan 12 10:03:46 OK. One of the problems we have is with our Chinese partners who have difficulties working remotely with our SVN. Would GIT answer their slow connection problem with our SVN? Jan 12 10:04:29 alefebvr: I think so Jan 12 10:04:32 alefebvr: yes and no : if it's a network issue, GIT would allow him to work locally, and then push when he's back 'online'. However, he can also do the same with SVN Jan 12 10:04:48 if it's a slow connection, no ... Jan 12 10:05:18 They could have their own chinese reference repository, we have our own, but we could pull their changes Jan 12 10:05:31 at least, not all developpers would be impacted Jan 12 10:05:41 .... by the slow connection, right ? Jan 12 10:06:00 you only have the slow connection issue between the chinese reference and our own reference Jan 12 10:06:06 am I right ? Jan 12 10:07:25 and the slow connection would affect the phases when we pull their changes, but give them more flexibility to develop Jan 12 10:07:29 if you add a GIT Remote Jan 12 10:07:52 in China and they connecto to hum and somethimes sync with the OW2 Remote, yes that would proabably help Jan 12 10:08:03 cescoffier: that was the idea Jan 12 10:08:03 OK, sounds good. Jan 12 10:08:22 however, such kind of dual remote is kind of tricky, because the guy that sync both repositories must manage of the merge conflicts Jan 12 10:08:37 so technical possible, humanly ... Jan 12 10:08:51 So far, as git support is not ready in novaforge, we could say that OW2 projects that want to use git could have their projects on github ? Jan 12 10:09:11 cescoffier: We have to try ... :) Jan 12 10:09:52 JeremyC: is it easy to have a quick git mirror on the current infra in order to have a clone of the codebase on OW2 servers ? Jan 12 10:10:14 assuming that github acts as our reference point for the moment Jan 12 10:11:08 gsauthier: yes, it's easy Jan 12 10:11:34 JeremyC: ok thanks Jan 12 10:11:43 Should we try a pilot phase with the Chinese people who work on JOnAS? Jan 12 10:12:06 we should try with a POC first Jan 12 10:12:37 you mean a toy POC (not with a real project)? Jan 12 10:13:15 chinese contribution on JOnAS is (ATM) limited, not much activity ... Jan 12 10:13:50 POC : proff of concept, so a small project Jan 12 10:13:51 If only there was a chinese member here ... :) Jan 12 10:13:55 proof Jan 12 10:14:09 nothing critical for now, I'm just afraid by the merging time Jan 12 10:14:33 internally, we gave up the svn / git syncing Jan 12 10:14:43 we either choose GIT or SVN Jan 12 10:14:57 I'm ok for a POC, but we have to sync with chineses peoples to see which project could be used as POC for this Jan 12 10:15:55 Do we continue this discussion for POC selection on the mailing list ? Jan 12 10:16:07 Yes, good idea. Jan 12 10:16:11 OK Jan 12 10:16:28 any other news on git ? or do we switch to the next item Jan 12 10:16:29 ? Jan 12 10:16:58 Let's discuss NovaForge then? Jan 12 10:16:59 My only feeback on git in term of sofware factory (so integration in a complete infra), it works pretty well Jan 12 10:17:18 so probably something we should offer sometimes Jan 12 10:17:39 you mean not just GIT mirror? Jan 12 10:17:57 So far, I've got positive feedback from git usage, maybe a little difficult for a long time svn user, but really useful Jan 12 10:18:30 alefebvr: no, plain GIT Jan 12 10:19:48 40 minutes and 1 bullet processed ;) Jan 12 10:20:04 :D Jan 12 10:20:15 OK, NovaForge status then. Jeremy ? Jan 12 10:20:55 Where are we with the current installation, configuration? Jan 12 10:21:05 What are the next steps? Jan 12 10:21:34 currently finishing integrating a novaforge v2.8 on OW2 server Jan 12 10:22:10 Do you have an URL that you can share so that we can take a look at it ? Jan 12 10:22:12 When do you think the integration could be operational? Jan 12 10:23:33 currently, not running, and I will share the url as soon as it will be accessible Jan 12 10:23:46 JeremyC: and the next steps ? Jan 12 10:23:49 should be finish this week Jan 12 10:24:24 How do NF compares to the current forge ? are there some features missing ? Jan 12 10:24:25 the next step is : finish debugging bug migration script Jan 12 10:24:29 the plan was to have NovaForge as a pilot project for being hosted in NovaForge Jan 12 10:25:00 there is another open issue which is the anonymous mode (possibility to view the projects on NF without being logged in) Jan 12 10:25:08 update "files" migration, still i will now how the public acces would be done Jan 12 10:25:36 any possible deadline about the "public" access mode? Jan 12 10:25:41 the main feature missing is the anonymous/public acces for a project Jan 12 10:25:54 to view anything in a project you have to be member of it Jan 12 10:26:49 JeremyC: that's a problem indeed :) Jan 12 10:27:44 JeremyC: a tentative deadline ? Jan 12 10:28:19 the novaforge roadmap is : support v2.8 and in the same time developpement of nf v3 which is an improvement of the novaforge core (and I hope the public/anonymous acces) Jan 12 10:28:40 (this v3 is planned for may 2011) Jan 12 10:29:03 ok thanks Jan 12 10:29:24 alefebvr: SQUAT status ? Jan 12 10:30:09 Fossology: Jan 12 10:30:52 we have currently a "friendly" account on the Fossology repository hosted in the US. Jan 12 10:31:13 http://repo.fossology.org Jan 12 10:31:37 this is a "temporary" repo. Jan 12 10:31:48 OSUOSL will set up a permanent repo where OW2 will have a community account Jan 12 10:32:12 in the mean time, I'll send a call for pilot OW2 projects to try the repo.fossology.org instance and produce reports. Jan 12 10:32:25 Atlassian: Jan 12 10:32:37 they have 2 tools Jan 12 10:32:51 sorry, I mean Antelink Jan 12 10:33:16 http://www.antelink.com/community/rating which anybody can use Jan 12 10:33:28 they have results for ASM for example Jan 12 10:33:32 it measures re-use Jan 12 10:33:40 any OW2 component may want to use it Jan 12 10:34:00 I'll try with MEDOR, and then will send an annoucement to project leaders Jan 12 10:34:19 They also have another product, the Release Cooker. Jan 12 10:34:20 * jcayuela (81b8540c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.184.84.12) has joined #ow2-tc Jan 12 10:34:25 http://www.antelink.com/product/release-cooker.html Jan 12 10:34:29 (Hello Jacques) Jan 12 10:34:33 Hello Jan 12 10:34:49 For the Release Cooker, Antelink had agreed that OW2 will have a community license. Jan 12 10:34:57 I need to get back to them to confirm this. Jan 12 10:35:08 Qualipso: Jan 12 10:36:05 following their talk at the annual OW2 conference in November, they are happy to run MOSST reports on pilot OW2 projects. Jan 12 10:36:13 I'll send a call for pilots to project-leaders Jan 12 10:36:40 more information about MOSST on http://www.ow2.org/view/Events2010AnnualConference/Program (their presentation) Jan 12 10:37:29 About Trustworthiness, the intent is to coordinate with Trustie quickly and decide what can be implemented on OW2. No definite plan yet. Jan 12 10:37:40 Do we have links to theses tools on our ITInformation page on the wiki ? Jan 12 10:37:58 Some, but not all up to date. Jan 12 10:38:02 I'll update the page. Jan 12 10:38:02 ok Jan 12 10:38:06 cool Jan 12 10:38:49 there also is a SQuAT page http://www.ow2.org/view/About/SQuAT which describes the big picture, and I'll make sure the SQuAT page is visible (it is not at the moment) Jan 12 10:39:17 Also, CSTC (China Software Testing Center) is running a pilot evaluation of JORAM. We're waiting for the results. Jan 12 10:39:24 Finally, SONAR :-) Jan 12 10:39:33 OK We should make sure that (at least) TC members are aware of these available tools Jan 12 10:39:54 I think TC and all project-leaders need to have the info. Jan 12 10:40:10 The idea is, for all these tools: Jan 12 10:40:27 1. to encourage people to use it, including "friendly volunteer" pilots Jan 12 10:40:31 2. to ease access to the tools Jan 12 10:40:52 This could mean extending the Forge page, or other means Jan 12 10:41:06 3. to ease the publication of the results on the project dashboards Jan 12 10:41:37 By the way, we have created a Dashboard for all mature and incubator projects Jan 12 10:41:38 see http://www.ow2.org/view/ActivitiesDashboard/ Jan 12 10:41:50 and the www.ow2.org page now shows all mature and incubator projects Jan 12 10:42:13 alefebvr: Thanks for your effort Jan 12 10:42:43 and the http://www.ow2.org/view/Activities/ProjectsByMaturity and http://www.ow2.org/view/Activities/ProjectsByFunction are now calculated from the dashboards, which means that there is now a single point for typing in the information, which is the project dashboard Jan 12 10:43:13 So, about SONAR, Guillaume you may want to say something? What about OW2 specific rules (or not)? Jan 12 10:44:12 Not sure if we want to enforce code quality using sonar, I mean, different projects may have different uses cases/requirements Jan 12 10:44:34 Hmmm... Jan 12 10:44:37 but we may provides a default quality profile, WDYT ? Jan 12 10:45:08 OK. Jan 12 10:45:56 I agree that different projects have different requirements, and different "architectures". But a default quality profile could make sense. Jan 12 10:45:57 Who have experience with producing a Sonar "quality profile" (not sure of the name) ? Jan 12 10:46:08 I'll check internally within FT. Jan 12 10:46:32 alefebvr: that should be considered as a basis and modified per-project Jan 12 10:46:55 yes Jan 12 10:47:12 well, it's easy to configure: A checkstyle file, a findbug file and another one Jan 12 10:47:14 Patrice Truong had started to look at OW2 project practive with SONAR Jan 12 10:47:18 sonar provide one by default Jan 12 10:47:31 JeremyC: Do we have enough machine to run a sonar instance OW2 wide (potentially a lot of project) ? Jan 12 10:47:49 sonar is pretty eager... Jan 12 10:47:50 NF uses SONAR, right? Jan 12 10:49:17 I know that Hudson can be plugged with a Sonar instance quite easily, don't know for NF Jan 12 10:49:25 Oops jenkins :) Jan 12 10:50:13 http://novaforge.frec.bull.fr/content/screenshots#Contr_les_de_la_qualit__:_Sonar Jan 12 10:50:24 http://novaforge.frec.bull.fr/content/screenshots#Int_gration_continue_:_Hudson Jan 12 10:50:35 so NovaForge both Sonar and Hudson Jan 12 10:51:24 OK, time is flying... let's move on? Jan 12 10:51:28 Sure Jan 12 10:51:33 Project's lifecycle Jan 12 10:51:48 We starts with mentoring ? Jan 12 10:51:49 A quick word on the project website wikis? Jan 12 10:51:58 (or should we do the project wikis later?) Jan 12 10:52:47 later, jeremiC is not ATM in his office :) Jan 12 10:53:20 So We have 2 new projects accepted in OW2: SlapOS and JiBX Jan 12 10:53:33 alefebvr: for wikis, we asked to migrate JOnAS wiki to a new instance in order to test Jan 12 10:53:34 We need mentors for both of them Jan 12 10:53:59 Do we have any volunteers around here ? Jan 12 10:54:45 [let's get back to the project wikis later] Jan 12 10:54:57 Mentors for SlapOS and JiBX 2 ? Jan 12 10:55:18 yes NF use sonar, but not centralized Jan 12 10:55:44 Or, does anybody think about possible volunteer mentors (not in the chat) for these 2 projects (we could then contact them by mail) ? Jan 12 10:55:46 I can try to be mentor for Jibx Jan 12 10:55:48 I am setting up a xwiki (v2.7) farm manager Jan 12 10:56:11 JeremyC: we will go back to wiki latter (log will no more be readable if we mix subjects) Jan 12 10:56:34 chamerling: Yes !!! Jan 12 10:56:40 So Christophe could be mentor for JiBX. Are you using it? Jan 12 10:57:00 Otherwise, Cedric Carbone says that Talend uses JiBX a lot, so we could ask them whether they could be a mentor ? Jan 12 10:57:13 no we are using jaxb, but we have some problems, so jibx will be a good candidate Jan 12 10:57:22 The orchestra team is also investigating the use of JiBX Jan 12 10:57:42 ok, so will be better to choose someone who is jibx aware Jan 12 10:58:09 OK, I'll send e-mail to Cedric then, suggesting him to be a mentor. Jan 12 10:58:16 What about SlapOS ? Jan 12 10:58:20 We mostly needs someone that knows how OW2 works and knows the domain of the new project Jan 12 10:59:10 The mentor should provides some kind of guidance for new project in the OW2 jungle :) Jan 12 11:00:31 For me chamerling better knows OW2 internals than Cedric (will all due respect) ... Jan 12 11:00:40 JeremyC: does that mean we will finally use a recent version of xwiki ? Jan 12 11:00:53 and he's volunteering :) Jan 12 11:02:02 * wang (7c1089c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.16.137.194) has joined #ow2-tc Jan 12 11:02:02 Yooohoo, reactions ? Jan 12 11:02:57 Hello ! Jan 12 11:03:08 hello, everyone! Jan 12 11:03:09 ok for me Jan 12 11:03:16 Hi wang Jan 12 11:03:43 we're discussing who could be the mentors for the new projects SlapOS and JiBX 2, and were saying that mentor should provides some kind of guidance for new project in the OW2 jungle Jan 12 11:03:59 So maybe Christophe is a better candidate than Cedric Carbone for JiBX Jan 12 11:04:50 So we are 9 online, who is for and against? we have to move to the next item quickly Jan 12 11:04:51 Apache projects may have multiple mentors, so I see no objects to have multiple too Jan 12 11:05:03 since Christophe volunteered, we may decide Christophe is the mentor with the help of Cedric if needed (sort of a compromise) Jan 12 11:05:03 chamerling: +1 Jan 12 11:05:26 chamerling: +1 Jan 12 11:06:00 +1 for chamerling Jan 12 11:06:26 +1 for chamerling Jan 12 11:06:34 +1 Jan 12 11:07:04 +1 Jan 12 11:07:16 ok we got 6 +1 on 9 present Jan 12 11:07:28 chamerling is JiBX mentor ! Jan 12 11:07:32 good. SlapOS ? Any idea ? Jan 12 11:08:12 someone cloud oriented ? Jan 12 11:08:41 do we have people able to help on OS ? Jan 12 11:09:16 right here not sure? Maybe a mail on the TC list to find candidates Jan 12 11:09:16 ? Jan 12 11:09:55 Guillaume already sent mail to TC but got zero feedback -> but I'll revive the mail thread Jan 12 11:10:06 Already done, no answers so far, but we may try to contact some TC memebers directly to see if they are interested to help Jan 12 11:10:18 Just to wake them up :) Jan 12 11:11:11 does anybody have someone in mind? Jan 12 11:11:20 SlapOS will be a tricky mentoring, it's really low-level middleware Jan 12 11:11:59 Do we have other projects on similar domain ? Jan 12 11:12:06 from the technical viewpoint, you are right. Jan 12 11:12:07 it the mentor hunting failed, we can choose an admin mentor helping them with the infra and trying to infuse them in OW2 Jan 12 11:12:16 but without too much of technical help Jan 12 11:12:34 close domain on cloud : Entropy, Petals, Jasmine, soon Sirocco (FT's IaaS) Jan 12 11:13:06 a positive aspect of mentoring is to act as a community enabler, by providing bridge to other projects Jan 12 11:13:11 yes Jan 12 11:13:21 Peoples on JASMINe VMM ? Jan 12 11:13:41 I'll ask Fred Dang Tran? Jan 12 11:13:54 That's an option yes Jan 12 11:14:03 I'm not sure he's on the TC BTW Jan 12 11:14:29 no he's not yet (but will be when he submits his IaaS project later this month, and if it is accepted :-) Jan 12 11:15:07 m2net -> I got no reply from the project submitter about our questions -> will ask again Jan 12 11:16:14 ok, I'll try to resurect the Bull link for this project on my side :) Jan 12 11:16:17 actually, I'm not sure I sent him the mail !! Jan 12 11:16:23 alefebvr: lol Jan 12 11:16:42 it's not funny :-( Jan 12 11:17:14 OK, since I got no reply from TC about my proposal to send him comments (mail dated 5 Jan), I'll send the mail now. Jan 12 11:17:23 ok Jan 12 11:17:37 Project status for WebLab : they have asked whether the project status could be changed to mature. Jan 12 11:17:51 They have done a very good job at providing information about the project Jan 12 11:18:08 http://www.ow2.org/view/ActivitiesDashboard/WebLab Jan 12 11:18:21 There is a case study, data sheet, professional support, ... Jan 12 11:18:36 They have also filled in the classification form (I need to send the form to the TC) Jan 12 11:18:39 I suggest that : Jan 12 11:18:44 1. I send their form to the TC Jan 12 11:18:52 2. The TC votes for changing the status (or not) Jan 12 11:18:56 Is everybody OK ? Jan 12 11:19:20 OK Jan 12 11:19:20 ok for me Jan 12 11:19:22 ok Jan 12 11:19:26 (reminder : the criteria are described on the page http://www.ow2.org/view/Community/ProjectLifecycleCriteria ) Jan 12 11:19:26 I've the same request for Chameleon Jan 12 11:19:40 OK cescoffier Jan 12 11:20:48 I'll check whether the classification information for Chameleon is up to date, send it to TC for a decision. Jan 12 11:21:06 In the mean time, you can verify that information on http://www.ow2.org/view/ActivitiesDashboard/Chameleon is OK and up to date. Jan 12 11:21:26 Are we done for project lifecycle ? Jan 12 11:21:38 I think so Jan 12 11:21:50 JeremyC, we can go back to project wikis now. Jan 12 11:22:07 Yes Jan 12 11:22:21 cescoffier said: JeremyC: does that mean we will finally use a recent version of xwiki ? Jan 12 11:22:21 ok Jan 12 11:22:36 fbenoit said alefebvr: for wikis, we asked to migrate JOnAS wiki to a new instance in order to test Jan 12 11:22:51 yes version 2.7 (more recent that ow2 website version) Jan 12 11:23:16 The data can be migrated more or less automatically, but the skins have to be done manually, right JeremyC ? Jan 12 11:24:52 yes Jan 12 11:25:26 Did you tried aleady some migration ? Jan 12 11:25:32 ok, I would have to try, but chameleon would be definitely interested to migrate Jan 12 11:25:43 jonas too :) Jan 12 11:25:52 no tried migration yet Jan 12 11:25:56 So we have JOnAS and Chameleon as pilots. Jan 12 11:26:20 Next steps is that JOnAS and Chameleon get in touch directly with Jeremy to do a pilot migration, OK ? Jan 12 11:26:49 We should try to mark down the issues we will encounter for the next projects to migrate Jan 12 11:26:56 sure Jan 12 11:27:21 Done for this one? Jan 12 11:27:28 yep Jan 12 11:27:31 Next is: Status on users base and SSO with current services Jan 12 11:27:33 good Jan 12 11:27:37 Need to go, see you soon guys and thanks Jan 12 11:27:40 * chamerling (~Adium@80.125.172.142) has left #ow2-tc Jan 12 11:27:43 (another topic for JeremyC) Jan 12 11:28:36 currently 4 accounts for one user on OW2 Jan 12 11:29:00 ow2 website, forge, project wiki (just a copy of forge account), mailing list Jan 12 11:29:22 What is the status of the work started 3 years ago with Clment Oudot ? Jan 12 11:29:26 bamboo and jira ... Jan 12 11:29:38 ojective of a common LDAP base ? Jan 12 11:29:43 with the new project wiki version, i will remove wiki project account (directly link this version with forge account) Jan 12 11:30:03 JeremyC: nice Jan 12 11:30:07 and yes , one account by atlassian tool Jan 12 11:30:24 I'm not sure JIRA and bamboo are sharing anything ... Jan 12 11:30:36 The Forge acoount is in the data base ? Jan 12 11:30:50 still I have link new project wiki to forge ldap Jan 12 11:30:57 jcayuela: Some preparation work has be done but no concrete realization ... Jan 12 11:31:07 I will try to link each atlassian tool on the forge ldap Jan 12 11:31:44 Will NF integrate with current LDAP? Jan 12 11:31:45 Atlassian have a Crowd software for user mapping Jan 12 11:32:01 (not sure if it's useful in our case) Jan 12 11:33:19 there is a discussion to allow NF to link with a ldap Jan 12 11:33:22 So at the end, the objective (or first milestone) is to have only 2 accounts on OW2: forge and member ? Jan 12 11:34:12 yes, first milestone, but the goal is to have one OW2 account Jan 12 11:34:25 great Jan 12 11:34:35 mailing list account will be forge account too ? Jan 12 11:35:19 * jcayuela has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Jan 12 11:35:35 I have to look how mailing accounts are done Jan 12 11:35:44 OK Jan 12 11:35:52 let us continue step by step Jan 12 11:35:53 because they are different, login is the email address Jan 12 11:36:18 when we move to NF, are we keeping Sympa as mailing lists ? Jan 12 11:36:29 yes Jan 12 11:38:59 next ? Jan 12 11:39:07 yep Jan 12 11:39:15 OK, next meeting Jan 12 11:39:34 later today ;) Jan 12 11:39:35 OW2 will have its general assembly during In The Cloud in Paris Jan 12 11:40:00 I was wondering whether we could plan to have a physical TC meeting just before or during Jan 12 11:40:33 during the conference in November, we had an unprepared TC meeting, and I thought it was good to meet physically when possible Jan 12 11:40:47 http://www.ow2.org/view/Events/InTheCloudConference Jan 12 11:41:37 The question is who will be there ? Jan 12 11:41:53 not me :-( Jan 12 11:42:03 Yep Face 2 face was good Jan 12 11:42:33 8th, 9th and 10th of March 2011 Jan 12 11:42:47 8th has a "*" in the programme, not sure what it means Jan 12 11:42:52 http://www.inthe-cloud.com/infos_pratiques.php Jan 12 11:43:05 I was told it was more 9th and 10th Jan 12 11:43:44 so we could maybe try either on the 8th afternoon (maybe somewhere else, like a room at FT in Issy les Moulineaux) ? Jan 12 11:44:08 or else during the conference (I'd check with Catherine Nuel whether we can have a small room somewhere) ? Jan 12 11:44:19 * jcayuela (81b8540c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.184.84.12) has joined #ow2-tc Jan 12 11:44:28 welcome back :-) Jan 12 11:45:11 WDYT? Jan 12 11:45:34 Let's send mail to TC asking who would be interested first? Jan 12 11:46:28 (have you all gone??) Jan 12 11:46:45 i am here Jan 12 11:47:24 We are checking with Benoit and Guillaume Jan 12 11:48:36 regarding the number of present people irhgt know, it would be proabably better to send a mail to the TC Jan 12 11:48:41 you are right Jan 12 11:48:42 If we have TC members that already ahve registered for this event why not. Jan 12 11:48:49 OK Jan 12 11:49:49 and for the item in the agenda "review of the upcoming events", I think the best is to launch email on TC, just to make sure people are aware of OSCON (deadline for CFP on 7 Feb, In The Cloud Paris, Solutions Linux, Sys-Con and JavaOne) Jan 12 11:49:50