gsauthier: Here is the proposed agenda for this meeting: * action item review * infra status (if jeremy is here) * project lifecycle * misc (including svn/http) gsauthier: Unfortunately Jeremy is still not there so i doubt we will have any fresh news concerning IT infrastructure cescoffier: we're only 3 ? Seems that others are still in vacations cescoffier: sorry 4 , even 5 esdaniel: apologies for being late gsauthier: Hi ed esdaniel: hope everyone had good holidays and was able to 'disconnect' gsauthier: Marc should be here, Petr too esdaniel: gr8 gsauthier: Maybe Jacques esdaniel: gsauthier - permit me to interject before things get going, the doc/wiki page you forwarded a while ago missed the new def of ow2 software esdaniel: you omitted cloud computing / generic apps - i.e. more than just middleware esdaniel: if you check ow2 about page on pub wiki the latest defs are there gsauthier: esdaniel: which one ? the one about IP ? esdaniel: yeah gsauthier: esdaniel: It's open to contributions esdaniel: gsauthier: noted, I'll dive in and fix it shortly gsauthier: Feel free to at least add a section with "missing items" and what you think should be descibed here gsauthier: thanks gsauthier: chamerling: are you playing ping pong with your IRC client ? gsauthier: esdaniel: that'd be the wifi i bet chamerling: No I was joining from my garden and I moved to my office chamerling: cescoffier: Don't tell me it's raining in France (here it is… but Berlin you know...) chamerling: No it is to hot already 27 d outside esdaniel: was stormy in paris last night, light rain today, improving slowly esdaniel: lol, ow2 weather report gsauthier: Ok, maybe we can start ? gsauthier: lol cescoffier: ok let's start gsauthier: 1. Action items review ================================= gsauthier: From my side: there was the Nexus migration to advertise gsauthier: Done, i've send a mail to project leaders and TC gsauthier: Wiki pages are complete (altough I may complement them from project's feedback if required) gsauthier: But so far, there was not much movement in this area gsauthier: Chameleon has migrated, Contrail project too gsauthier: All migration request are being tracked into JIRA: http://jira.ow2.org/browse/SERVICEDESK cescoffier: yep, but we still have some work to do in chameleon, only some modules migrated, some like Rose didn't gsauthier: Yeah, but you have at least the appropriate permissions setup in Nexus gsauthier: The remaining work is on the chameleon's side, not on OW2 cescoffier: yes, ok cescoffier: so, next point ? chamerling: Am I alone? gsauthier: Sorry i was interrupted gsauthier: Just a head-up, I will be off for the next 3 weeks, so any nexus migration request will have to be performed by one of you ... gsauthier: http://www.ow2.org/view/ITInfrastructure/NexusAdministratorGuide will be your friend gsauthier: It's easy to do gsauthier: Who volunteer ? chamerling: I can if needed chamerling: but I expect that the wiki page gives all that I need chamerling: gsauthier: thanks gsauthier: I've tried to have an admin process as easy to do as possible gsauthier: you have examples, screenshots, ... gsauthier: You just first to deal with Jeremy first to obtain the admin rights on Nexus chamerling: yes I see, so I will try and it will be a good way to validate the proces and the documentation gsauthier: i will leave him a mail so he won't be surprised by any request of that kind chamerling: just send me the credentials I need or add me as manager gsauthier: -> see with Jeremy chamerling: ok gsauthier: next item was Gitorious/Github discussion gsauthier: chamerling: it was yours cescoffier: if then there is some project-centric issues (like how to use the new parents …), feel free to ask on the chameleon ML. chamerling: oh yes chamerling: so, there were some replies from members chamerling: github seems to be used by many of us chamerling: and the result of the discussion is that it is better to let everybody manage their github (and that is completely in the git philosophy) chamerling: second point is that it will be nice to mirror git repos in an OW2 organisation on github gsauthier: there will not be too many repos ? chamerling: like Apache for example, it will provide a good way to disseminate for example chamerling: yes there are gsauthier: 'cause I expect inflation of git repositories compared to SVN repositories gsauthier: 1 svn repo host many projects, where ususally 1 git repo == 1 project chamerling: but I think we can ask for an open source organisation or something like that to morror all chamerling: https://github.com/apache has 224 repos chamerling: no 251 chamerling: I can try to contact github team to see what is possible cescoffier: BTW, this would fix the HTTP access I just mentionned esdaniel: there was a chap that was doing github pr in paris, i'll find his name and share with you cescoffier: hum… not sure, because we should associate our commiter id with our github account florentgarin: an OW2 unbrella on Github would be a very nice option esdaniel: chamerling: this link will take you to Scott / schaon - https://github.com/blog/804-github-drinkup-paris-edition chamerling: thanks ed chamerling: I will contact him asap chamerling: maybe I need an OW2 email address to be more credible gsauthier: -> ask jeremy gsauthier: BTW, Ed already setup an OW2 organization on github: https://github.com/ow2 chamerling: OK, so Ed maybe you can add some TC members as organization managers gsauthier: done esdaniel: ok esdaniel: gsauthier: The main "issue" there is with github is that OW2 no longer host the source code chamerling: true with git, but is it really an issue? gsauthier: I know we can easily mirror git repository, but we have to know all OW2 related repositories in github cescoffier: if it's a mirror it's still ok… however some projects already switched to github gsauthier: Question: will you notify OW2 for each and every new repository you will open on github ? chamerling: it will be nice yes… members should 'play the game' gsauthier: -> maybe this is not the good audience for this question i'm sure you will, but all the silent members ? cescoffier: well I fear that this is not really realistic cescoffier: on github you create new repo in 5 seconds chamerling: wil be part of the 'good OW2 citizen' gsauthier: Do we have the ability to be automatically notified when an organization creates a new repository ? So that we can automate mirroring with known OW2 "member/org" esdaniel: not wanting to name and shame, perhaps we can have a cron job somewhere that does a diff of ow2 / github repos and then notifies us of disparity? esdaniel: just the repo list, not the contents chamerling: there are feeds and notifiers on github gsauthier: chamerling: Can you take a look at this problem and see if an automated solution could be possible ? chamerling: feeds can be used for that if needed chamerling: yes I will gsauthier: thanks gsauthier: So, our gitorious instance is mainly for mirroring external codebase and for projects that don't want to use github gsauthier: the TC preference would to use github ? esdaniel: sidenote: if github were to allow us to consume/publish stats then it would make a compelling case to review ow2 source code hosting chamerling: ok added to question list chamerling: can we switch to next topic chamerling: ? gsauthier: next action item: XWiki update gsauthier: Simple: no news ATM, I didn't ask Jeremy gsauthier: That one was quick gsauthier: next action item: Utils proposal gsauthier: Proposal written, I hope you've all seen the new proposal page's style gsauthier: hope you like it gsauthier: http://www.ow2.org/view/Proposal/Utility gsauthier: It was vacations so I didn't start a vote Thread, but I think it's time to do that now gsauthier: cescoffier: thanks for your support in the project description, I didn't noticed it until now cescoffier: gsauthier: Are there any additional comment on this proposal ? gsauthier: Good, I will start the voting Thread today, and let instructions to Alex to close it in few days gsauthier: i will have the surpise when i 'll come back gsauthier: next action item: spec project gsauthier: I've still not do a presentation mail for the spec project explaining it to memebers gsauthier: that will waits some more weeks gsauthier: next: TC Proposal forms gsauthier: Basically it's done, if you have more comments, please give feedback gsauthier: For the one interested, sources are here: http://gitorious.ow2.org/ow2/xwiki-proposals gsauthier: next: TC list Cleanup gsauthier: i don't know what Alex did on this side, but not much progress from me gsauthier: next action: IP gsauthier: As you may have noticed, I did a small wrap-up wiki page for IP questions gsauthier: http://www.ow2.org/view/TechnologyCouncil/IntellectualProperty gsauthier: I would like this page to be a place like a FAQ for license related questions esdaniel: one of our challenges is that we are expected to take a lead here without support any legal support gsauthier: As it is a draft, feel free to contribute chamerling: nice to have this written somewhere cescoffier: that would be cool esdaniel: my point / suggestion is that we continue to try and reach out to those that specialise in this area and request to link to them gsauthier: Yes, so it's important if a point seems unclear to add a note saying "needs to be verified" esdaniel: i.e. we're not lawyers, OW2 does not have full-time legal support and so to indemnify this type of information we share we should acknowledge this short coming and suggest for further information our readers click the 'following links' esdaniel: sflc could be one such link gsauthier: I have some inputs from Cedric about OW2 and copyrights, i will add that esdaniel: also we must all strive to use our networks to attract IP lawyers specialising in this to give us link love gsauthier: esdaniel: note to self to mention to M. Letellier gsauthier: So far we're done with action item review gsauthier: there was an item about infra status gsauthier: but as jeremy is missing, that will be for next time esdaniel: btw blackduck is doing a reasonable amount to create awareness of licensing: http://www.blackducksoftware.com/webinars/legal/cle.php gsauthier: 2. project lifecycle ================================== gsauthier: So far, it was mainly about starting a voting thread for OW2 Utils gsauthier: Project proposal for OW2 Specification gsauthier: Not much more gsauthier: 3. Misc ========================================== gsauthier: For info, with Alex, we've done a first round of SQuAT Qualipso/OMM evaluation for easybeans gsauthier: Took us approx 3 hours esdaniel: you read my mind, was going to ask that! gsauthier: We've only done the 1st sheet esdaniel: 3 hours to process, how long to deploy before kicking off analysis? gsauthier: But the evaluation form is done quite strangely, the score is computed as if it was a commercial project, so we got a lower score than what we expected esdaniel: sorry, reason i ask is that it's probably going to be of value to share this on squat pages for PMs to help them quantify effort gsauthier: some requirements are mandatory, some other optional, that seems to be ignored when computing score cescoffier: hum… looks ready gsauthier: The score is computed instantly, I don't know who is anaylzing data afterhand ... cescoffier: We have also receive an evaluation from Alex cescoffier: checking license headers and so on…. cescoffier: I'd a look for chameleon gsauthier: All mature projects will have to do that 1st OMM round evaluation at some point in the future. I don't have a timeframe yet gsauthier: cescoffier: Yes, this is not OMM, this is fossology report gsauthier: Alex run it on all mature projects gsauthier: Fossology simply extract license information from your headers (if any) and produce you a report. gsauthier: You then have to take the appropriate actions gsauthier: Was it coffee time ? cescoffier: so, what the next step with this OMM ? gsauthier: i think we will have to adapt the formula to better suits opensource projects (under supervision of qualipso guys of course) cescoffier: ok gsauthier: then, when SQuAT will be ready, all mature projects will have to fill the evaluation themselves gsauthier: ANything else ? cescoffier: there is this svn over http gsauthier: long awaited feature cescoffier: well… the issue now is simple cescoffier: there is quite some services like masterbranch analyzing code and so on cescoffier: I've asked masterbranch if they can support ow2… unfortunately no because of that gsauthier: Jeremy may help you about this cescoffier: I've also discussed this issue internally, the current SVN access may discourage a lot of poeple gsauthier: please open a JIRA on Servicedesk so that everyone will be able to follow the discussion cescoffier: mirorring to GH would fix half of the issue cescoffier: unfortunately, as our committer name are different on GT and on OW2, this won't aggregate teh data correctly cescoffier: ok, will do gsauthier: thansk cescoffier: so anything remaining ? gsauthier: I don't think so chamerling: next meeting? chamerling: at OW2Con? gsauthier: oh yes gsauthier: in 3 months ? chamerling: oh yes chamerling: before by IRC chamerling: and F2F at OW2Con gsauthier: better gsauthier: I will be at OW2 con only the first day gsauthier: for IRC, between 1st and 15th of October ? gsauthier: First week of october ? chamerling: ok for me cescoffier: should be ok gsauthier: Let's do a doodle for this meeting gsauthier: Clement or Christophe, you handle that ? i will no more be connected in few days ... cescoffier: ok gsauthier: thanks cescoffier: same hour than today chamerling: ok chamerling: so we can stop cescoffier: bye esdaniel: ttfn chamerling: thanks all and bonne vacances si il vous en reste